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you can imagine going through the negotiations and at the end of december boehner and mcconnell saying let's keep the tack cuts in place while we continue to negotiate. the president has to be firm. >> i completely agree with everything you just said. boehner after the meeting hinted he would be wiling to kick the can down the road and have the temporary solution. >> yeah. >> what would that mean for the markets? what would that mean for his caucus. do you think that's the most likely sceneario? >> the most positive is that some how they reach you a template. we are not talking about a full-blown dooley that provides -- it means a new budget resolution ordering the committees to come up with the right revenue and guidelines and the changes in spending before january 1. the second most likely and most positive they can't quite get there but delay for a couple of weeks and thatted -- that will be fine for the markets. if they can't reach it and the president says i'm not going to extend this for three or six months we will go over the cliff and i'll propose my tax cut plan after all the
you can imagine going through the negotiations and at the end of december boehner and mcconnell saying let's keep the tack cuts in place while we continue to negotiate. the president has to be firm. >> i completely agree with everything you just said. boehner after the meeting hinted he would be wiling to kick the can down the road and have the temporary solution. >> yeah. >> what would that mean for the markets? what would that mean for his caucus. do you think that's the...
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look here we go with more boehner love. i have to show this. this happenedda at the end of the meaning. >> wait, wait, excuse me there is one other point that i want to make and that is my understanding is material is speaker boehner's birthday. for those of you who want to wish hip a happy birthday -- we not not embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candies were needed. >> yeah, right. >> we do want to wish him a happy birthday. >> thank you. thank you. >> all right. thank you, everybody. >> that would be all be nice if he well a tough portion stance -- negotiation stance and he does not and it seems frustrating to people who don't agreey with boehner and don't want to wish him a happy birthday. >> a different situation when reagan and tip o'neill were working together and o'neill would stand up on the president and the president would stand up to tip o'neill and now vuboehner standing up to the president and the president not standing up to boehner. larry cudlow have -- they have been talking about capping deductions to br
look here we go with more boehner love. i have to show this. this happenedda at the end of the meaning. >> wait, wait, excuse me there is one other point that i want to make and that is my understanding is material is speaker boehner's birthday. for those of you who want to wish hip a happy birthday -- we not not embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candies were needed. >> yeah, right. >> we do want to wish him a happy birthday. >> thank you. thank...
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>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the program. i'm joined by the one and only congressman barney frank. congressman, thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. for >> eliot: for all the good well and happy talk is there a deal being framed up right now? >> i don't know. i hope there is. we've known there was substantively, but there has to be republicans who understand that sticking with this deficit reduction coming out of domestic programs, and you expand military spending, and you don't increase tax on the wealthy clearly the election said that's not the right way to go. i know the
>> i think the challenge for boehner. it will be a test for john boehner's leadership to find the votes within his caucus, to meet the president and others halfway. he has got to come halfway. certainly the president has got to come halfway. that's what this is about. >> eliot: i agree with you. the president has already gone halfway. i think they'll end up meeting his number. winning in politics brings consequences. new orleans mayor marc moriel. thank you for coming on the...
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therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he did when this negotiation took place lose yearlastyear. does he have the political strength because his party lost, can he look eric cantor in the eye and other republican leaders in the eye and say we have no choice but to cut a deal that is now on the president's terms? >> i think the strongest bargaining level he has is not so much that the republicans lost the election but beginning january 1st tax rates do go up particularly on the wealthy automatically. that's when the bush tax cut is basically terminated. the president has that bargaining power. essentially in washington d
therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he...
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i hope boehner starts to attack what you perceive as their strength. it will force the democrats to stand up for more traditional what we associate with the democratic party, which is we're going to protector things like social security, medicare and we'll go further with more progressive taxation and expand social security because frankly it makes sense to do so at this point. >> cenk: the argument that paul krugman, who i come back to frequently because he has been about the only economist who has been right at every stage from pre-cataclysm through now wait a minute weynes was right. he's basically saying the social safety net is what we need to build a middle class and create the assumption and create jobs. >> we can create medicare and the government can provide less money for seniors. in the end it comes out of their kids pockets. you're basically allowing for a tremendous amount of income inequality to continue in this country, and hopefully this will push the democrats to the left. if the republicans at least nominally shed some of these more s
i hope boehner starts to attack what you perceive as their strength. it will force the democrats to stand up for more traditional what we associate with the democratic party, which is we're going to protector things like social security, medicare and we'll go further with more progressive taxation and expand social security because frankly it makes sense to do so at this point. >> cenk: the argument that paul krugman, who i come back to frequently because he has been about the only...
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there are several hundred republicans and then after that awkward moment passed, they voted for boehner. he won overwhelmingly and got a standing ovation. louis, get in there. get in the middle of the ring you dumb ass. that's tyt elbow of the day on louis gohmert for not requesting that a guy who is not in congress might not be the best choice for speaker of the house. what an unbelievable doofus. that's the show for tonight. we'll see you tomorrow.
there are several hundred republicans and then after that awkward moment passed, they voted for boehner. he won overwhelmingly and got a standing ovation. louis, get in there. get in the middle of the ring you dumb ass. that's tyt elbow of the day on louis gohmert for not requesting that a guy who is not in congress might not be the best choice for speaker of the house. what an unbelievable doofus. that's the show for tonight. we'll see you tomorrow.
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i think a lot of conservative policies wonks hope this is the sort of thing that speaker boehner will glom on to, and that obama will say look, it's not my preferred way to get 1 trillion from wealthy americans but it does get me there. it doesn't have a huge impact on the middle class and can avoid a big fight and gives up on the rate increases. i don't think obama is going to give up on the rate increases that easily because they have been so central to his--both of his political campaigns as president even though you know at the end of the day he would end up at the same revenue baseline that he's looking for. it would appear to his base he's supporters like a pretty big cave. >> eliot: i think you're right. after the strength of his commentary and since the election where increasing rates has become the mantra, the line in the sand that people expect him to toe and stay very strict on. anything that backs off from that would require extensive preparation and conversation with his base. i'm not sure he's preparing the base for that right now. added to what we're talking about right
i think a lot of conservative policies wonks hope this is the sort of thing that speaker boehner will glom on to, and that obama will say look, it's not my preferred way to get 1 trillion from wealthy americans but it does get me there. it doesn't have a huge impact on the middle class and can avoid a big fight and gives up on the rate increases. i don't think obama is going to give up on the rate increases that easily because they have been so central to his--both of his political campaigns as...
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boehner says the president has to say it. it may well be because the president has the upper hand on taxes and can do nothing which is what the congress is best at and have those taxes expire and come back and cut them on everybody but the top 2%, that may well be the strategy we end up with. the bigger thing that's not in this discussion that i find particularly disturbing is essentially this kind of a late consensus to use this fake crisis to focus on deficit reduction is highjacking the debate we ought to have on how to get this economy working for the vast majority of americans and how to get people back to work. we ought to be having that debate and they've got to push hard simply to get on the agenda. >> it's amazing a great point and shows why the president is not remotely progressive. he's having the debate totally on republican grounds as if they won. no no, no! we won! we won! we should be talking about jobs, increasing taxes. i'm not entered in $3 trillion in spending cuts. the republicans want that, good luck to y
boehner says the president has to say it. it may well be because the president has the upper hand on taxes and can do nothing which is what the congress is best at and have those taxes expire and come back and cut them on everybody but the top 2%, that may well be the strategy we end up with. the bigger thing that's not in this discussion that i find particularly disturbing is essentially this kind of a late consensus to use this fake crisis to focus on deficit reduction is highjacking the...
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go ahead boehner yap yap yap, yap. six weeks from now i win on almost every issue if i do nothing. they're going to buckle. i won't say that i won't negotiate. those things are on the table. the incomes tax is not on the table. also on the table. estate tax. it's slated to go up to 39%. it's at 35%. then you have carried interest and corporation taxes. why in the world are we talking about cutting corporate taxes. i'll go in the option opposite direction. i'll take away loopholes. we're not going to give you what you want. i won you lost. how about spending cuts to tax increases. president obama keeps saying i want to do $3 of spending cut for every $1 in tax increases. that was before the election. if i'm president obama i say here is the new formula. now we're going to do $1 in spending cuts for every $3 in tax increases. you know why? i won. you lost. if you like we can do it again in 2014. would i settle for 2-for-20? i would settle for that. but i wouldn't go 3-to-1 against me. who would do that numbers that, unless you want to move. 3-to-1 against yourself is not a balanced a
go ahead boehner yap yap yap, yap. six weeks from now i win on almost every issue if i do nothing. they're going to buckle. i won't say that i won't negotiate. those things are on the table. the incomes tax is not on the table. also on the table. estate tax. it's slated to go up to 39%. it's at 35%. then you have carried interest and corporation taxes. why in the world are we talking about cutting corporate taxes. i'll go in the option opposite direction. i'll take away loopholes. we're not...
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second, he's rejecting the john boehner approach which is boehner saying i'll agree to revenues as long as they come as a result of economic growth. in other words, we won't legislate changes in taxes. we'll hope that revenues go up. he's saying no, that won't work for me. you're not going to legislate spending cuts. this is the president talking. not legislate revenue changes as well. >> bill: all right. so there are -- the most immediate decision maybe facing the congress is that as you point out, all of the bush tax cuts expire. which means not only the taxes -- tax cuts for the wealthy expire, the tax cuts for those making under $250,000 a year expire as well. so the president said friday all right, the senate has already passed a bill which would give extended tax cutless for the 98%, those making under $250,000. but let the ones for the wealthier people and defined as over $250,000 expire. and he challenged the house of representatives to pass that. what do you think -- so this is a real -- to me, this is like they've got the gun to their head. are you going to pass the tax cut fo
second, he's rejecting the john boehner approach which is boehner saying i'll agree to revenues as long as they come as a result of economic growth. in other words, we won't legislate changes in taxes. we'll hope that revenues go up. he's saying no, that won't work for me. you're not going to legislate spending cuts. this is the president talking. not legislate revenue changes as well. >> bill: all right. so there are -- the most immediate decision maybe facing the congress is that as you...
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. >> stephanie: i think dictionary.com backs me up on john boehner. >> there are pronunciations i've had to look up. i don't know everything off the top of my head. >> she knows how to pronounce myanmar. >> i know how to use the googles, too. >> stephanie: all right. here she is with all of her fancy, highfalutin words. >> paul ryan lost on the national ticket but won back his seat in congress. he will be back at the table of negotiations continuing over tax increases and spending cuts. paul ryan will continue to head up the house budget committee and john boehner expects him to help as the two parties try to come to a compromise that would stave off the fiscal cliff generate revenue and reduce the deficit. the hope is that ryan can help bring around fellow conservatives. as senator patty murray points out to the "new york times," ryan will have to be willing to listen and compromise if he's going to stick to his former budget proposals, it will be a long winter. americans just voted against paul's vision for our nation. paul ryan's vision for our nation. house minority leader nancy
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house speaker john boehner has said it himself. this is the law of the land. this is the next big step. if perry and walker don't do t then the federal will do it for them. >> jennifer: this seems to me these republican governors are all about state rights would want to set up this exchange because it allows them to be these states and republican governors in charge and not the hated federal government. why are they fighting? >> they're putting ideology and partisan politics over the benefits of consumers. the great fallacy here is that obama-care is a government takeover of your healthcare. the government will come into your life and control your care. but these exchanges are private insurers they're giving you option. it is a marketplace and a private marketplace for to you pick out the best options amist amidst these horrible ones. it's really partisan talking points no more, no less. >> jennifer: earlier this year chris christie vetoed the bill but since that time the new jersey legislature passed a similar bill, and it's back on his desk, and it's back to
house speaker john boehner has said it himself. this is the law of the land. this is the next big step. if perry and walker don't do t then the federal will do it for them. >> jennifer: this seems to me these republican governors are all about state rights would want to set up this exchange because it allows them to be these states and republican governors in charge and not the hated federal government. why are they fighting? >> they're putting ideology and partisan politics over...
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boehner. wasn't he tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment because i've watched him for years, too. my friend have sisters in college, and i guess he's really popular in dorms. >> stephanie: he's dreamy. >> caller: in dorm rooms. people have pictures of him in their dorm rooms. >> stephanie: really? i can't wait to tease him about that. >> caller: politics, i'm just a housewife, and i hear stories about college but we're not there. >> stephanie: he's like a political geek liker beat. >> like shawn cassidy of the political world. >> caller: they were talking about religion on the last sh
boehner. wasn't he tried to get everybody paid off. >> stephanie: from the tobacco companies. >> caller: from the cigarette companies, i mean for years. i've watched politics for years and i mean it was always like a joke two and three years ago always drunk all the time. >> well, yeah. >> caller: you know, a political joke. i've heard people say that. i just want to make a comment. i was watching david schuster the last show, and i can't--i just want to make a comment...
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leadership team, john boehner eric cantor, kevin mccarthy and all of the rest, all of them signed a pledge opposing any climate legislation that raises tax revenue. that so-called no climate tax pledge, that tax pledge is backed by the tea party group americans for prosperity and guess who funds americans for prosperity? yep, the billionaire koch brothers who made their fortune from oil pipelines and refineries. and who, of course, along with other oil and coal lobbying groups spent $270 million on ads attacking the president this election. here's the good news though. that pledge opposing any climate legislation that raises taxes probably won't have much of an impact because the president has not even proposed a carbon tax. so there may be still hope. if congressional republicans continue to drag their feet though, we might see a lot more action on clean energy at the state level this term. joining me now to talk about creating a clean energy agenda at the state level is washington state governor-elect, jay inslee. he ran on a platform of bringing clean energy and biotech jobs this to his
leadership team, john boehner eric cantor, kevin mccarthy and all of the rest, all of them signed a pledge opposing any climate legislation that raises tax revenue. that so-called no climate tax pledge, that tax pledge is backed by the tea party group americans for prosperity and guess who funds americans for prosperity? yep, the billionaire koch brothers who made their fortune from oil pipelines and refineries. and who, of course, along with other oil and coal lobbying groups spent $270...
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quick to say yeah, let's follow the boehner thing. when you look at what boehner is saying about how to avoid the fiscal cliff he's not saying we're going to agree with president obama on anything yet right? >> not yet. at least publicly, he's just reheating the old romney proposal which is if you close deductions, that's where you get your revenue. not from letting the high end tax cuts expire. the high-end tax cuts expire. what obama had been campaigning on and what voters want overwhelmingly. so you know, the administration has actually been fairly optimistic about where boehner is and negotiating with boehner and negotiating maybe with some of the rank and file who are more likely to come to an agreement. maybe go into the senate. and doing this very publicly. they're meeting with a lot of groups with labor groups, with business groups and they've learned their lesson. this idea that in 2011 last year, they could just sit in a room with boehner, hatch out a deal and all would be done. clearly didn't work out very well. after the e
quick to say yeah, let's follow the boehner thing. when you look at what boehner is saying about how to avoid the fiscal cliff he's not saying we're going to agree with president obama on anything yet right? >> not yet. at least publicly, he's just reheating the old romney proposal which is if you close deductions, that's where you get your revenue. not from letting the high end tax cuts expire. the high-end tax cuts expire. what obama had been campaigning on and what voters want...
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the most is that we'll simply erase the january 1 date and kick the can down the road to use speaker boehner's phrases and send financial markets, the absolute confusion that yet again is dysfunctional. my preference would be we come back in january. we've got the advantage where we can put on the table tax cuts for the middle class. >> eliot: congressman we have to go. we'll get you back to
the most is that we'll simply erase the january 1 date and kick the can down the road to use speaker boehner's phrases and send financial markets, the absolute confusion that yet again is dysfunctional. my preference would be we come back in january. we've got the advantage where we can put on the table tax cuts for the middle class. >> eliot: congressman we have to go. we'll get you back to
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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they are making sounds of compromise, but nancy pelosi -- >> speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell, and senator reid and i would all agree, we have to have something that will pass both houses that the president will sign. >> since mitch mcconnell's soul goal was to deny president obama a second term, and he failed i think he needs to resign now. >> that makes him a failure. >> stephanie: uh-huh. senator durbin. >> $250,000 for income is a reasonable number. those 2% or 1% of the highest wage earners in america who are doing well, should pay a little bit more. >> i won't pay it! that is taxing the job creators. >> stephanie: senator mitch mcconnell. >> i believe we're in the dpe limb ma we're in not because we taxed too little, but spent too much. >> oh, come on. >> stephanie: yeah, you failed at your number one -- you only had one plan and you failed at that. >> if we're spending too much let's cut the military. >> stephanie: bobby jindal. >> we're the party that wants growth. pro-growth policies. >> they do nothing but protect the rich. what is he talking about? >> he is lying. >> ste
they are making sounds of compromise, but nancy pelosi -- >> speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell, and senator reid and i would all agree, we have to have something that will pass both houses that the president will sign. >> since mitch mcconnell's soul goal was to deny president obama a second term, and he failed i think he needs to resign now. >> that makes him a failure. >> stephanie: uh-huh. senator durbin. >> $250,000 for income is a reasonable number. those 2%...
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or is it john boehner who is going to stop that? >> caller: you see, it's hard to read right now. i think there was somewhat of an acknowledgment by everyone in the house that everybody spoke for that fairness for the middle class. that statement that it appearing to be universally popular i believe is on target, and i would hope we can go forward and do that piece, do that tax cut for the middle class and continue to work away at other pieces. >> stephanie: right, well congressman tonko i guess i want to get your take on this. we've heard a lot so far--first of all, it seems that they're feigning yeah, yeah, we're going to compromise, but either it's mitt romney plan for some other tangent for the rich. and they've suggested going over the clip. i'm reading this piece from reuters saying that that could butt levels to where they were in the 90s and they might agree to to a tax deal. there is obviously feeling on both sides. corporate america, but what do you--i know patty murray, dick turban and others have put that out there. do you think we're going to get to that. >> i prefer
or is it john boehner who is going to stop that? >> caller: you see, it's hard to read right now. i think there was somewhat of an acknowledgment by everyone in the house that everybody spoke for that fairness for the middle class. that statement that it appearing to be universally popular i believe is on target, and i would hope we can go forward and do that piece, do that tax cut for the middle class and continue to work away at other pieces. >> stephanie: right, well congressman...
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boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good job -- >> looks like he's going to get more political leeway. he doesn't have eric cantor. it seems like there's for trust between the two but, jackie, if the american people had known they not only were re-electing status quo but the same people are in the room that gave us the gridlock, i wonder how that ballot would have turned out. >> i wonder if he said it's going to be the same people in the room, and, you know, a lot of this is going to be theater. we were talking about that for the first couple of days, hopefully not weeks but there will be a lo
boehner and mcconnell still in charge. although they did better and you could argue there's no reason. are you surprised there's not a push to change leaders inside your party even if it's just the face of the party a little bit? >> it's difficult. within the house there is -- i think there will be a battle for the conference chair. >> but it's a -- >> i'm surprised, yeah, but at the same time, we need strong leadership and a strong speaker and i think boehner can do a good...
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john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross reforms. that means things like lowers rates, and closing loopholes. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money, and they have said they weren't it to be revenue neutral. the president has been very clear, that the higher-income people have to pay their fair share. >> that means no deal from the democrats if republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy, but pelosi says she is optimistic. more john coming up after the break. stay with us. ♪ created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick lo
john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross...
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. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements, he said it's time for the president to leave. no it's time for him to leave. he has literally been unable to lead his caucus. this fiscal cliff that we are about to embark on if we don't get changes particularly on that side of the aisle is going to be his responsibility more than anybody else. >> stephanie: i'm looking a the a graph right in front of me. small businesses grew twice as fast with clinton tax rates. that's what we're talking about, right? >> caller: absolutely. you look at how we ended up with, you know, no deficit, et cetera. you can't organs that. i
. >> stephanie: you still you just mentioned john boehner. he is still insisting raising tax rates will destroy jobs. are they going to go back to these old talking points when the american people have spoken so clearly? >> caller: that's not going to work. i don't understand how he's capitulating. many people are trying to figure out whether he's been held captainive again by the tea party folks or whether or not he's going to lead. it's interesting in some of his pronouncements,...
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soon as right. >> caller: that's thepackets. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: the weeper of the house boehner has a plan for this benghazi and petraeus thing. they're planning something. >> stephanie: oh really. >> caller: i just have a feeling. >> stephanie: hmm, hmm that's something that john jon stewart brought up. how can there be a white house cover up? petraeus can still testify. now we'll never know what happened. quitting is not the same thing as dying. he could still go testify what happened in benghazi. michael you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: good morning, stephanie, how are you and your merry erlves today. >> stephanie: my elves are fine. >> caller: how do you think the brave fighting men feel in the trenches when they find out the guy leading them is playing games and they're getting shot at and the guy behind the desk aren't. >> stephanie: playing hoochy mamas. >> caller: yes, and what do you think a patient would feel like if he was laying under the scalp of ms. kelley's bombed husband. >> stephanie: do we have evidence that he's bombed? how did he get dragged
soon as right. >> caller: that's thepackets. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: the weeper of the house boehner has a plan for this benghazi and petraeus thing. they're planning something. >> stephanie: oh really. >> caller: i just have a feeling. >> stephanie: hmm, hmm that's something that john jon stewart brought up. how can there be a white house cover up? petraeus can still testify. now we'll never know what happened. quitting is not the same thing as...
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decision we had before that lobbying effort started and it's bipartisan i mean we saw howard dean john boehner i mean all these people tens of thousands of dollars lobbied by the m.e. can tend to speak on behalf of them really goes all across the board and it really makes the rhetoric. unless when you see the amount of money being funneled into shape the narrative bend freeman thank you so much extremely important everyone check out the book thanks for coming on thank you very much. so if you like what you see so far go to our you tube channel at youtube dot com slash break in a set and subscribe check out our facebook page at facebook dot com slash breaking the set you know the nature of the internet is that he is going to hate and troll is going to troll if you're intelligent you can always write me and let me know what you think and also if you're wondering about what i'm doing when i'm not on air follow me on twitter abby martin and i take a break from my preaching for now but stay tuned to hear exactly what this fiscal cliff talk is all about next. thanks. so two stories have dominated th
decision we had before that lobbying effort started and it's bipartisan i mean we saw howard dean john boehner i mean all these people tens of thousands of dollars lobbied by the m.e. can tend to speak on behalf of them really goes all across the board and it really makes the rhetoric. unless when you see the amount of money being funneled into shape the narrative bend freeman thank you so much extremely important everyone check out the book thanks for coming on thank you very much. so if you...
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boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new willingness to accept a more balanced approach? >> i'm very much encouraged by it. that is what made it impossible for us to even have discussions at all up until the election results came in. as you know, president obama ran on a very explicit platform of restoring the clinton area tax rates for folks above $250,000. romney explicitly ran against that. exit polls showed half the folks who voted for romney in fact supported the obama position on taxes. the other thing that's important to keep in mind, we -- our congress actually has made a trillion and a half dollars
boehner has indicated he's putting revenues on the table. that makes it possible for us to begin the very difficult discussion about what revenues and how do you get them and what cuts and how do you make them. so we have a lot of work to do. at least the framework is some greater possibility for a positive outcome. >> last time around, republicans insisted that any new increases in revenue must be off-set by a lowering of tax rates. are you encouraged by the gop's apparent new...
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>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said in the past, that higher rates will kill the economy. there is bill kristol pointing out how we've done perfectly fine under higher rates in the past. >> what he's trying to get through to republicans, particularly the new class that came in in 2010, okay, you campaigned on all of these promises, but now it's time to govern and things have come to a standstill in washington over the last two years, and now with the fiscal cliff or fiscal curve coming, and the president being re-elected with more than 50% of the vote, it's time to make a deal. and everyone knows that in order -- that the real deal th
>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said...
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boehner's tone was good. but as i said, when you look inside and say, well, we can rely on dynamic scoring or lowering rates significantly and closing loopholes, when you begin to dissect that, it has some problems. but i am hopeful that with the business community's help and with the president's leadership, we can bring republicans around. because i think in his heart speaker boehner wants to get something done. >> alan? >> you talked about -- [inaudible] do you have a strategy on -- [inaudible] are you trying to do that -- [inaudible] >> let me say on the general thrust of your question, i think most of our colleagues on both sides of the aisle would say the senate needs to be fixed, that there are some real things wrong with it in the way it functions. there are going to be a lot of discussions over the next few weeks about that, but i'm not going to comment on any specifics until we have those discussions with our colleagues. and it needs to be done not just for one particular issue, but in general to get
boehner's tone was good. but as i said, when you look inside and say, well, we can rely on dynamic scoring or lowering rates significantly and closing loopholes, when you begin to dissect that, it has some problems. but i am hopeful that with the business community's help and with the president's leadership, we can bring republicans around. because i think in his heart speaker boehner wants to get something done. >> alan? >> you talked about -- [inaudible] do you have a strategy on...
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you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room for the white house to get involved in the negotiations as well. >> it allows them to negotiate this without sort of a spotlight on fiscal cliff story which is -- you know, a story that has about six weeks left in it before some -- before taxes go up on everyone and significant spending cuts happen across the country. not just the military. >> you've been covering the hill for awhile in addition to the campaigns. do you get the sense that this will be the time when they say okay, they've reached some agreement on the tax out on the revenue side and republicans eat it a little bit. for people mak
you would see mitch mcconnell and john boehner's people sort of drawing their lines in the sand. that's not really happening even though that is sort of by far much sort of bigger story as far as what's going to happen in the country. as far as -- and priority list for both the white house and congress. >> do you think they also get that at the white house? that as long as -- as much as they may be getting hurt or not by the islamist people are talking about benghazi, it enables some room...
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that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more revenue. the government spends too much as it is. if democrats are willing to reduce spending and strengthen entitlement programs, which we all know are on an unsustainable path that threatens our own long-term viability and the economic well-being of our children and grandchildren, then we'll be there. what we won't do is raise tax rates. >> okay. so read the fine print. raise tax rates. now, there's a difference between raising tax rates and raising revenue, making people pay more by doing things which the republicans have suggested like, you know, capping loopholes o
that doesn't seem like it'll be a go for john boehner, does it? >> no, at least at this point it doesn't. after all, the republicans want those tax cuts to continue. that's really the nub of it. how far they'll go, it's a very important meeting. this is really it. this is where the president weighs in. it's mano a mano. the person who's taking a harder stance is mitch mcconnell. let's listen to what he says from the senate side. >> we don't happen to think the government needs more...
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what is amazing to me is you open up the paper, you watch on television, there's boehner, mcconnell, all these people saying he has to have major entitlement cuts, cuts in social security, medicare and medicaid. right after the republicans got finished beating up on the democrats for allegedly taking $760 billion for medicare, that's terrible, now they're insisting we have to take more money for medicare, medicaid, social security. the democrats are stupid enough to go along with that. they will criticize the democrats the next election. >> that's a great point. heather, you were in washington and watched the sausage making happen. how much leverage do you think there is? >> that's a good question. i think unfortunately we may have to get through this period of time of complete detachment from reality. and then the conversation will shift as it will as people start to gear up for the midterms. people start looking out into the country again and saying, hey, we're still at about 8% unemployment out here. jobs are still the number one concern of voters. not on the donor class, but of v
what is amazing to me is you open up the paper, you watch on television, there's boehner, mcconnell, all these people saying he has to have major entitlement cuts, cuts in social security, medicare and medicaid. right after the republicans got finished beating up on the democrats for allegedly taking $760 billion for medicare, that's terrible, now they're insisting we have to take more money for medicare, medicaid, social security. the democrats are stupid enough to go along with that. they...
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you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do the budget cuts, we have already done a trillion. you can get to the $4 trillion that most economists say would at least lead us to the path to reduce debt over ten years. >> because it is so much money and because it would be so relatively painless for people who have income above $250,000 to see that change go back, because bill crystal is saying this now, because the president is clear that's what he's running on, it feels that's clear that's within the realm of the possible. but what else didn't previously peel like it was in the realm of possible? >> i think immigration reform. i called
you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do...
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john boehner said, a couple of days after the election, that it was time to work on this reform. this got his caucus irritated. host: let's show the folks some of what he said in that statement. >> >> -- [video clip] >> i am not talking about a seven page bill. i am talking about a comprehensive approach to fixing the borders and a broken immigration system. again, on an issue this big, the president has to leave. i think members on both sides of the aisle want to resolve this issue. host: you said that his caucus was surprised by this statement? guest: from louisiana they put out a statement saying that he was upset about many of the things that boehner said, not just immigration, but conversations on the debt in the next couple of weeks. this problem has been in the house since long before the tea party showed up. the rank-and-file get a little bit nervous, understandably. i think that some of them could possibly lose elections, if they are forced to vote on something as controversial as a path to citizenship. i thought it was interesting, there have been some conservative pund
john boehner said, a couple of days after the election, that it was time to work on this reform. this got his caucus irritated. host: let's show the folks some of what he said in that statement. >> >> -- [video clip] >> i am not talking about a seven page bill. i am talking about a comprehensive approach to fixing the borders and a broken immigration system. again, on an issue this big, the president has to leave. i think members on both sides of the aisle want to resolve this...
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speaker boehner and harry reid. but it needs to translate into when they get behind closed doors that people are looking for common ground rather than a leg up in the next election. host: which of the g.o.p. leadership due to get tea party members onboard when it comes to negotiating and bargaining. you have worked for many years with house speaker john boehner, both from ohio. what advice did you give him? >> that he has to, without abandoning principle, when people seem to lose sight in this tax discussion, if you look at a $5 trillion package over 10 years, 1.5 frill to $2 trillion in new revenues needs to be a part of that. i think most republicans, i know the speaker accepts that. it's how you get there. so from our perspective if you broaden the base of taxpayers and actually get rid of all the underbrush, you could raise that money, the modeling shows it. on the democratic side they want to sock it to the top 2% of wage earners. people in country are rich. they didn't get rich by being stupid. you really run
speaker boehner and harry reid. but it needs to translate into when they get behind closed doors that people are looking for common ground rather than a leg up in the next election. host: which of the g.o.p. leadership due to get tea party members onboard when it comes to negotiating and bargaining. you have worked for many years with house speaker john boehner, both from ohio. what advice did you give him? >> that he has to, without abandoning principle, when people seem to lose sight in...
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up to this point house speaker john boehner is saying he will not accept any increases on tax rates. but some top republicans are quietly coming around. it is obvious after the election that republicans do not hold the mandate on taxes. while the g.o.p. still might not agree to a tax rate on those making more than $250,000 a year, if democrats demand a millionaire tax increase, it will be hard for republicans to say no. climate change actvilles are not feeling too optimistic after the president's news conference yesterday. advocates had been hoping the president would push for a carbon tax as a way to help raise revenue during talks on the fiscal cliff. while the president did say he is a official believe err -- firm believer in climate change and will take up the issue in the future. for now it will take a backseat to the economy. this is also an issue both parties avoided during the presidential campaign and even during energy talks, there was no mention of climate change during the debates. more john fuglesang is coming up after the break and we're live in our chat room, join us t
up to this point house speaker john boehner is saying he will not accept any increases on tax rates. but some top republicans are quietly coming around. it is obvious after the election that republicans do not hold the mandate on taxes. while the g.o.p. still might not agree to a tax rate on those making more than $250,000 a year, if democrats demand a millionaire tax increase, it will be hard for republicans to say no. climate change actvilles are not feeling too optimistic after the...